| Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat | |
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Prisma*Illya Paramount Pagemaster
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:27 pm | |
| Really? You want to hug a murderous bondage queen? _________________ ~Vae Victis - The Black Lily Blooms~ | |
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madarrao Amateur Author
Posts : 2623 Join date : 2013-08-20 Age : 32 Location : The Destination of Fate
| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:30 pm | |
| no, i havent watched it yet, i havent been in the mood yet. | |
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:33 pm | |
| - Prisma*Illya wrote:
- Really? You want to hug a murderous bondage queen?
yes :< just like I want to hug Charlotte's problems away |
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Prisma*Illya Paramount Pagemaster
Posts : 34036 Join date : 2013-07-11 Age : 33 Location : The Black Versailles
| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:41 pm | |
| Hmm, I see. Btw, can you put those pics in spoilers?
Well, Charlie is a different case. Ad Mary showed, you actually can solve her problems with a hug lol. And we see her before the descent into madness, so we know there's goodness there. _________________ ~Vae Victis - The Black Lily Blooms~ | |
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:43 pm | |
| I only liked Carmila after i knew her background :< |
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Payne Celebrity Composer
Posts : 6261 Join date : 2013-07-13 Age : 33 Location : Sitting alone outside a door that someone else kicked in. I'll wait for all eternity. Won't you invite me in?
| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:50 pm | |
| - Prisma*Illya wrote:
- Really? You want to hug a murderous bondage queen?
I laughed so hard I couldn't breathe... DX | |
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Prisma*Illya Paramount Pagemaster
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:55 pm | |
| I don't think you can contrive a backstory that would make Carmilla sympathetic. _________________ ~Vae Victis - The Black Lily Blooms~ | |
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:17 pm | |
| She's not sympathetic :0
She's naive, selfish and sadistic. She regrets what she did but aknowledges that she enjoyed it nevertheless, so there's no point in changing. Her interlude is literally throwing you(her master) into her castle and have you play her 'game', which I forget how it went, but it was something she would supposadly to the girls she captured. Something like, 8 would be killed, 1 would be a pet and 1 would be set free. Her wish is still for eternal beauty and to return to her noble life.
I like her because of her attitude "I was stupid for thinking that would grant me eternal beauty, but whatever now is too late too look back." It makes her a compeling character |
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Prisma*Illya Paramount Pagemaster
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:25 pm | |
| Well, it makes her a terrifyingly amoral psychopath. Compelling... I dunno. She certainly isn't flat, but acknowledge the foolishness of past actions doesn't necessarily make one complex or interesting. And it DEFINITELY doesn't warrant a hug. >.> _________________ ~Vae Victis - The Black Lily Blooms~ | |
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madarrao Amateur Author
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:25 pm | |
| 8 were killed, 1 was kept as a pet till the next batch and 1 would be left to "try to escape" the odds of escape are supposedly 1 out of 1000 | |
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:29 pm | |
| - Prisma*Illya wrote:
- Well, it makes her a terrifyingly amoral psychopath. Compelling... I dunno. She certainly isn't flat, but acknowledge the foolishness of past actions doesn't necessarily make one complex or interesting. And it DEFINITELY Â doesn't warrant a hug. >.>
well I wouldn't expect you to understand lol I wont go in depth, since there's no point. Understading this requires one to have gone through similar. But there's a part of me that understands her position. That position of apathy after realizing you've ****ed up and the self-loathing one harbors. She's not someone that you or me would care or even shed a tear in real life. But as a character, in my eyes she is disturbingly realistic. NOTE: I like her character, I think that she's lovable because I know the hole she's put herself in and thus want to hug her and show the way out. That is it. That does not mean that if she was real that I would be doing the same. Remember I love making characters. So there's a differance between me liking a character and me liking a person. |
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Prisma*Illya Paramount Pagemaster
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:02 pm | |
| I see. Well, like you said, I have trouble sympathizing. It's not bragging when I say I can't think of any times I've majorly screwed up. _________________ ~Vae Victis - The Black Lily Blooms~ | |
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:16 pm | |
| that's why I'm better at making villains :V |
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Prisma*Illya Paramount Pagemaster
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:18 pm | |
| Lol. Oh my god, The Gift. Holy crap, what a movie. _________________ ~Vae Victis - The Black Lily Blooms~ | |
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Prisma*Illya Paramount Pagemaster
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:48 pm | |
| Btw, since you're so good with making villains ( ), maybe you can help me with a question I have about one of the characters from my books. _________________ ~Vae Victis - The Black Lily Blooms~ | |
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Sat Oct 10, 2015 6:39 am | |
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Prisma*Illya Paramount Pagemaster
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:32 am | |
| So, as I explained in the book, each of the main members of the coven has a reason for pursuing power. - Spoiler:
For Tasha, it's the means to fix all the problems she sees with society. For Morgan, it's having control over her life. For both of them, I give background as to why they've come to feel this way. Khull, however, doesn't get a background reason. I explain his life of being a CEO and having everything most people want, but that it's not enough because he still lives the same life as an ordinary person - living, eating, sleeping, working, reproducing, and dying. So for him, power is a means to feel special and separate from the pointlessness of life. What I'm wondering is what might have happened in his past to make him feel this way. I suppose it could just be a matter of being ruthless in business to get to the top, then realizing it didn't satisfy the emptiness inside.
_________________ ~Vae Victis - The Black Lily Blooms~ | |
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Prisma*Illya Paramount Pagemaster
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:25 pm | |
| Geez, Jorg. Even when you don't respond to me, just voicing the problem to you brings my mind to the solution. You're my lucky charm. Exert from book 2: - Spoiler:
"What do you get out of all of this?"
Khull looked surprised at being addressed.
"I mean, Tasha I get," Aiden continued. "Even Morgan. But you..."
Khull smiled and took a seat. Aiden took that as a hint that this might take some time. Reluctantly, he sank into one of the expensive chairs surrounding the table.
"You know, Tasha really is a noble person," he said quietly. "She honestly believes this will fix society."
The way he talked so dismissively of Tasha made him feel ill at ease. He had to remind himself that Tasha was no longer his concern.
"Personally, I think it's more likely to collapse society altogether. Possibly bring humanity to extinction."
Jessie gasped at this ominous prediction. Aiden could see why.
"Then why? Why would you do this?" she asked. Khull gave her a fleeting glance, then shifted his gaze back to Aiden.
"I was groomed from a young age to take over my father's business. I grew up my whole life believing it was my rightful inheritance. But once my father died, I discovered that his will had made provisions to prevent me from taking control of it. Imagine my... surprise."
Aiden shook his head. He couldn't imagine the shock of realizing you'd been cheated out of your inheritance and left with nothing.
"I was still a young man. I hadn't realized the important truth that my father had long known," Khull went on. "But I did. It took me forming my own business, ruthlessly crushing competition, resorting to any means necessary, to finally reach the top. I then realized that being handed that business - being given anything without a struggle - is meaningless. It was only by destroying my father's empire and taking it for myself that I found meaning."
The ticking of the ornate clock on the wall was only took noticeable in the silence of the room as Aiden tried to wrap his mind around this.
"You think the struggle of this new world will help you find meaning?" he asked.
"Of course," Khull replied. "My life is stagnant. I've already amassed all I can in this life - power, prestige, wealth, success, and fame. But those things are meaningless in themselves. It was what I had to do to achieve them that mattered. And now there is no struggle, no climb, no challenge."
His eyes glistened with excitement, an almost childlike wonder at the idea.
"But a world where the strongest survive is a world of struggle without end. No obligations, no morals, no rules. Just the struggle. That is the purest reality we can reach."
_________________ ~Vae Victis - The Black Lily Blooms~ | |
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:35 pm | |
| hmmm, you're getting there but not enough. Most people will understand that feeling of stagnation and the desire to find meaning in a world where, even if you're at the top, it just doesn't seem to care about you. I don't know what type of personality you want him to have. But perharps instead of having him say - Quote :
- "But a world where the strongest survive is a world of struggle without end. No obligations, no morals, no rules. Just the struggle. That is the purest reality we can reach."
you could have him say something to transmite the message of chaostic. Something like, ultimatly he wants to find meaning, but he's reached a point where he's just enjoying the ride to chaos. |
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Prisma*Illya Paramount Pagemaster
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:37 pm | |
| Well, I see it as he can only see meaning IN chaos, in struggle. In other words, it's a very extreme variation of the idea that the journey is what matters, not the destination. _________________ ~Vae Victis - The Black Lily Blooms~ | |
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:49 pm | |
| if that's what you want to transmite, that doesn't seem the end result. From what was written, it felt more like he lacked meaning and saw this as an opportunity to find it. Not that he only hold meaning in chaos. |
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Prisma*Illya Paramount Pagemaster
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:57 pm | |
| Exactly. He lacks meaning now because there is no struggle in his life. When he was trying to build his own business and give his deceased father the middle finger, he found purpose and meaning. Once he achieved all he set out to do, he felt empty. The struggle was the meaning. In a world where only the strong survive, however, life will be a constant struggle. There's no worry of stagnation. _________________ ~Vae Victis - The Black Lily Blooms~ | |
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:03 pm | |
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Prisma*Illya Paramount Pagemaster
Posts : 34036 Join date : 2013-07-11 Age : 33 Location : The Black Versailles
| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:26 pm | |
| So, does he seem more interesting now? He's come alive a little more to me. Makes much more sense given the direction I wanted to take him in book 3. Anyway, I should be finished with my edits today. I'll probably give them a break for the rest of the day once I finish, then give it all a read-over to make sure I didn't miss anything. Then I'll send it to you to see what you think of the changes. _________________ ~Vae Victis - The Black Lily Blooms~ | |
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| Subject: Re: Chat Thread 19: In the Beginning Was the Chat Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:30 pm | |
| he seems better. But something is missing, hmmmmm, there's a lack of depth in him, which comes from you thinking too far ahead. Book 3? You don't even have book 1 published and you're already there -.-
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