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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:36 pm
so, did you read naruto since it finished?
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:57 pm
I haven't read Naruto at all. I watched the original anime series. I tried to get into Shippuden, but they took so long to get it dubbed that I basically lost interest at that point. And the more I read about it, the less I liked.
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:07 pm
when i started Naruto, only the first 70 episodes were dubbed,and then my interest pushed me to watch the rest subbed...
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:17 pm
I see.
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:26 pm
I started bleach first because I wasn't impressed much with Kid Ninjas and whatnot.
Bleach had great soundtracks and it was about spirits, hell, heaven and exorcism, among other stuff. It had amusing characters, though, for me, it still kept a serious, macabre, mysterious, tense and captivating feel to it all.
naruto, on the surface, felt like kids playing ninja, going on baby supervised missions and simply having a little bit of over exaggerated fun which ended with eating ramen and chasing girls or women.
I only started with Naruto because my classmate, friend,  wasn't into bleach. So to make him happy and have something to discuss with at school, I watched the show. Later on, I continued it alongside Bleach, figured there was some more to the story and wouldn't mind sticking with it to see how it all plays out.
There was always a low attachment feeling to it than Bleach. Bleach I always looked forward to watching enthusiastically.
Full Metal Alchemist and D-Grey Man sharing the same love as Bleach, would always be 2nd and 3rd with Naruto at the lower end, along with One Piece (another show that may come off as goofy on the surface but still holds some deeper darker elements, theme to it).
This is for action series. For psychological thrillers, Night Head Genisis and Death Note would be the top recommendations.
and oh yeah, a mix of both. Ghost in the Shell is a good contender. Maybe somewhat slow in getting the plot running, but I enjoyed it nonetheless.
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:45 pm
Bleach has the best world-building of the Big Three. One Piece (which I was thinking of when you said that before lol) is by far the most ridiculous. Naruto sits in the middle. I think Naruto probably had the most enjoyable characters (in the early days).
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Subject: 'Welcome to Jupiter!' NASA's Juno space probe arrives at giant planet Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:35 am
Time to find out what Juptians / Jupitorians look likeÂ
Ooookay lol Taken from:Â http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/04/world/juno-jupiter-nasa/
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Juno was launched nearly five years ago on a mission to study Jupiter's composition and evolution. It's the first spacecraft to orbit Jupiter since Galileo. Galileo was deliberately crashed into Jupiter on September 21, 2003, to protect one of its discoveries -- a possible ocean beneath Jupiter's moon Europa.
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The Juno mission ends on February 20, 2018, when Juno is expected to crash into Jupiter.
Lol so much money down the... gas pipe Â
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Tue Jul 05, 2016 3:54 am
Came across this site:
http://celebsleather.com/
Nice collection
I liked, from the front page. http://celebsleather.com/product/daredevil-netflix-season-2-jacket-charlie-cox/ and http://celebsleather.com/product/iceman-last-stand-leather-jacket-x-men/
Not too happy about some of the pricing though :/
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:31 am
Oh, that is pretty cool. The pricing isn't bad considering most leather jackets are at least of comparable price, if not more.
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:36 am
the next Grand order commercial came out,showing off some of the knights of the round table
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:43 pm
You realize Jorg isn't here to comment on that anymore. Unless you're just baiting me.
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:53 pm
if i wanted to bait you, id`ve just posted pics of the new servants as they came out,like Kiritsugu Assassin or Female Tripitaka
i just figured you might enjoy the video or the hot guys... or has FGO burned out to the point of hating everything typemoon
here,have some Lucius Tiberius:
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:02 pm
They made Kiritsugu an Assassin? >.> Female Tripataka? I guess someone was playing Enslaved: Odyssey to the West.
Sadly, all of Type Moon is starting to sour for me. Nothing turns me off so much as creative bankruptcy for the sake of franchise milking.
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:28 pm
Prisma*Illya wrote:
They made Kiritsugu an Assassin? >.> Female Tripataka? I guess someone was playing Enslaved: Odyssey to the West.
Sadly, all of Type Moon is starting to sour for me. Nothing turns me off so much as creative bankruptcy for the sake of franchise milking.
Kiritsugu:
most people i saw, attributed the female Tripitaka to Bulma from Dragon ball
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Wed Jul 06, 2016 2:00 pm
It makes no sense!
Why would Bulma be the inspiration? And if Fate is taking inspiration from Dragon Ball, that's very telling...
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:24 pm
what makes no sense? Kiritsugu?
anyway, wanna read the history of the Eizbern?
translated by Kotonoha:
*The origins of Einzbern A factory originally created by the students of the magician who realized the third magic. Began in the year 1 AD. They attempted to reproduce their master's miracle, but couldn't do it themselves, so as an alternate plan they tried to recreate a specimen identical to their master and have it reproduce the magic.
After nearly 900 years of effort, Justeaze - the homunculus who would come to be called the Winter Saint - was forged. She was a model that strayed from what the magi had intended, created completely by accident, but her abilities were equal to or above those of their master. The magi should have been elated about Justeaze, but they couldn't be happy. After all, she was a mutation that was born regardless of their own techniques or skills. Even if that specimen was to reproduce the third magic, that conclusion would be harder for them to bear than 900 years of failure.
The magi deperately attempted to create a homunculus that excelled Justeaze by their own techniques. The artificial intelligence created to act as the castle's central management - the golem Jubstacheit - was the pinnacle of their craft, and became the father of all homunculi created at Einzbern.
Justeaze succeeded at proving the third magic. However, it was not cost-effective. Justeaze's use of the third magic was like careful knitting. It would take several years to save just one person, making the salvation of the entire human race virtually unattainable. In addition, while Justeaze herself did not age, her body was so frail it would take little to kill her, so she could not leave the castle. Since her intelligence and mentality were also unaging, she did not develop at all. From an outside perspective, it was as if she was repeating a single day for all eternity. If she were to leave the castle she would be freed from this "single day", but the act of leaving the castle signified an easy death for Justeaze.
In the end, they accepted that humans could create something that surpassed humans, but not something that could save humans. ...Or perhaps they would not have failed if a miracle like Justeaze had not occurred.
The magi despaired the limits of their abilties. Some abandoned the castle, while others took their own lives. The homunculi left at Einzbern were abandoned by their creators, but in their purity, they continued to operate the factory for the sake of the creators' ideaology - the salvation of humankind, the reproduction of a miracle.
From then on, all homunculi created at Einzbern were based off of Justeaze. Jubstacheit created a humanoid terminal unit, and used it as the manager of Einzbern. Though by the end he operated even Acht (the eighth humanoid terminal), he did not possess a personality. He only included the necessary "humanity" to operate the castle and reproduce the third magic into each of his humanoid terminals, and made them act like humans. Jubstacheit is essentially an automaton that cannot progress, but continues operating in perpetuity. His way of existence is just like an old clock ticking away, being forgotten by people before running down.
*The great grail Five hundred years after the magi departed from Einzbern, a model plan was devised for a wide-area operation device for the third magic using Justeaze. Einzbern had determined that reproducing Justeaze was impossible. Their plan of keeping Justeaze safe because she was a unique and valuable model switched to a plan to use that unique model to mass-produce miracles. (This was not Jubstacheit's plan, but a consensus of opinion within Einzbern. Because the homunculi were pure, they chose the method with the greatest probability of success. In fact, Jubstacheit was the only intelligence that voted against this.)
Justeaze could only use the third magic on one human over a period of decades. Therefore, using Justeaze as a frame, they would create a "greater" magic formula and save many humans at once. The plan was to disassemble her magic circuits and replace them with a magic formula, creating a humanoid universe - the great grail.
But Einzbern alone could not start this project. They were no more than dolls. They had no way to live in the outside world, and they couldn't handle the complexity of human society. To create the great grail and reproduce the third magic, they needed understanding and cooperative humans.
Then, in the year 1800, a guest arrived at the winter castle that had continued to produce homunculi. Makiri Zolken. A magus who had devoted his life to eliminating all the evils of the world, the evils of humanity. (At this point, Zolken was mostly disillusoned. He knew it was about time to give up, but calling on Einzbern was his last hope. He met Justeaze, and felt a complicated mix of emotions - hope towards fulfilling his ambition, jealousy at her ability to use the third magic, and pity for Justeaze's eternal youth causing her to "repeat the same day".)
With Makiri's understanding and Tohsaka's cooperation, Einzbern began to create the great grail. However, once they started, they determined that Justeaze alone was not enough. They could create a great grail. They could create its core. However, to operate it they would need vast amounts of magical energy, and a lesser grail to control it. Makiri and Tohsaka devised a ritual to collect magical energy using Justeaze's ability to connect with the root: the grail war. Despite being unable to reproduce Justeaze, Einzbern created a lesser grail with similar abilities to hers.
After 10 years, the project was finally complete. The grail war ritual was successful, and the great grail lit up. But its first operation ended in dismal failure. There was no flaw in the great grail itself. The problem lay in the craftsmen and magi who participated. Instead of using the precious magic reactor core for the sake of the whole planet, the magi killed each other out of a desire to use it for the sake of their own race or society. Einzbern had been unable to understand the thought processes of the humans who operated the great grail.
*Irisviel and Illyasviel Einzbern learned from the failure of the grail war and changed their plans. Justeaze no longer existed. While preparing to restart the great grail, they returned to their original goal and focused on creating a perfect homunculus.
As a result, they created Irisviel, a homunculus with the function of a lesser grail. They expanded on her further and Illyasviel, a homunculus that was the pinnacle of Einzbern's technique, was born.
*Tuners This is a digression, but separate from the winter castle is the tuners' building (a small house), inhabited by a family of human magi, not homunculi. Since the homunculi cannot negotiate with human society, the tuners went into town in their place and barter for needed materials. Traders, essentially. Still, they are a talented magus family, and possess strong artistry. Humans without strong aesthetic sense could never take care of Einzbern, after all. The tuner family's numbers dwindled along with Einzbern's decline, and in the end only one remained. It seems he often worked in the castle as a butler, teaching the secluded, medieval-minded homunculi about the outside world.
It's unknown what kind of conclusion that tuner chose after Illya lost and Jubstacheit shut himself down.
*In summary: so what is Einzbern? A factory in which homunculi continued operating towards the ideals and goals humans had given them, after the magi had left. Jubstacheit is something like the factory's central management program. A monolith. Acht is his terminal. Even after their creators had given up and died, the homunculi in the winter castle devoted themselves to making their masters' dream come true.
What lies at the basis of the Einzbern factory and many discarded things is the purity of machines. Imagine a doll that can speak to its owner, but only a few phrases. "Hello", "thank you", "I'm sorry", "good night" - "I love you." These reactions delight the buyer, but it's clear that they will soon be disappointed.
"No matter what I say, the doll can only say predetermined phrases. It just keeps repeating that tired old 'I love you'." Realizing that the love the doll speaks of is a false emotion, the buyer will likely discard it eventually. But humans are the ones who see that as empty words and a manufactured fake. Even if it doesn't have a "heart", even if it's only repeating the same words, there are no lies in the actions of machines. They innocently carry out the task they were given. "I love you." Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed. Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears. Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity. Tags: None
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:44 pm
Yes. Unless Kiritsugu made a pact like Emiya -which he didn't! - then there's no way he would have become a Servant.
That was interesting. Sounded like old fashioned Fate goodness.
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:54 pm
yeah illya, its AU kiritsugu who did make a deal with the world.
well, presumably, the entire thing would`ve been explained somewhere in the illya route.but since that never saw the light of day...
heck, we only found out that Illya was the Eizbern`s last attempt at the holy grail in the UBW anime.
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:04 pm
Meaning, a Kiritsugu who isn't Kiritsugu, because a decision like that entirely invalidates his character arc in Fate Zero.
I'm pretty sure the VN stated that Illya was the Einzburn's last shot.
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:17 pm
Prisma*Illya wrote:
Meaning, a Kiritsugu who isn't Kiritsugu, because a decision like that entirely invalidates his character arc in Fate Zero.
I'm pretty sure the VN stated that Illya was the Einzburn's last shot.
i dont remember,but still a family of magi giving up and deciding to live the normal magi life, and a factory of basically robots giving up and shutting down dont carry quite the same weight behind them.
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:49 pm
True. It's funny, but I never thought of Acht or the rest of the Einzburns as homunculi. Definitely gives you a different perspective.
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:00 pm
Why is Japan so persistent in giving male protagonists a female childhood friend? Like it happens all the time.
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:45 pm
i dunno besides cheap shipping fodder, you think so too right,if theres a opposite gender childhood friend, then theres some form or romance between them
and maybe the japanese dont have the concept of "cooties" so the genders dont separate into cliques during childhood
and what triggered the question?
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:55 pm
I had plenty of opposite sex friends growing up. But it's pretty usual to grow apart. Not so in Japan, it seems.
I was reading the MegaTen wiki and it came up. And I realized that Star Ocean 3, which I'm currently replaying, also does this. Then I started thinking of all the times I've seen this trope pop up.
It's funny, cause it's not entirely exclusive to Japan. When the West does this, though, it's more often the girl who has a male childhood friend who's always in love with her. And, unlike Japan, they usually fail to win the protagonist, who goes after the new bad boy.
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Subject: Re: Chat Thread 23: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Chat Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:02 pm
well the easiest way to tie a secondary character into the plot is to have them care for the main character`s wellbeing the cheapest way to manufacture such a character is to have them be a "good" friend,
but new friends need to be explained or not as heavily invested without reason, so they just make them childhood friends for the easy way out
you can tell how much of an afterthought these "childhood friends" were on the fact that they usual have no bearing on the MC`s personality despite supposedly being there during the MC`s formative years
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