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dont worry payne, saber can get some action too Chat Thread 20: The Good, The Chat, and The Ugly - Page 6 2120966141
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Bahaha.Chat Thread 20: The Good, The Chat, and The Ugly - Page 6 2120966141

Mana transfer triangle! Chat Thread 20: The Good, The Chat, and The Ugly - Page 6 3680231627

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Saber isn't really looking for a relationship. XD
She'd rather be fighting dragons or invading rival nations.
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Good. Cause the romance isn't for her. It's for Elli. Chat Thread 20: The Good, The Chat, and The Ugly - Page 6 4134108735

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Payne wrote:
Saber isn't really looking for a relationship. XD
She'd rather be fighting dragons or invading rival nations.

I think I know which mythology she comes from
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Prisma*Illya wrote:
Good. Cause the romance isn't for her. It's for Elli. Chat Thread 20: The Good, The Chat, and The Ugly - Page 6 4134108735

I think I have an idea of how to make it work
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How? :0

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we'll see as it goes. anyway do you have any idea how bad hygiene was back then? :V
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Why is it so hard to find arguments in favor of social darwinism? I know it's not exactly politically correct, but surely some people must have some ideas about how it could be beneficial.

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what's social darwinism?
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Pretty self-explanatory. Extending the concepts of survival of the fittest to modern society.

Basically, I'm trying to refine the arguments given in favor of it at the end of the book. I don't want people to automatically dismiss the coven as villains. I want readers to really consider the points they make as valid.

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ah. I can explain why it's hard to find good arguments.

The only ones who would give good arguments about it are those who are in an advantageous position within that concept.

That means the rich. And for the most part rich people either don't care because they are rich or they are like Trump, complete social retards.
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Well that's sort of true loll.

What would your best arguments be in favor of it?

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depends on how the direction you want to take.

you could go the "hardworker" route. where a hardworking person who got success is disgusted that instead of being rewarded by society he is instead a target of the lazy people who surrownd around him like parasites.

If you want to add some humanity, you could also point out that that person isn't a selfish bastard, but is simply frustrated that he had to sheed blood and tears to get where he is and these random ants just come around and complain for laying on their ass all day.

there's always that counter argument where sometime there's these people who are really hardworking, but simply lack either the connections or luck to find success. But you could also go a further extra mile with the character defending that those people he would help gladly, but those are the exception, not the rule
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well, that's a logical summary, but that's not what you want I'm guessing.

You want an emotional connection with the reader, one that alows them to understand and feel for their beliefs.
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Exactly. :0

I don't know if you realized, but Tasha is black. In retrospect, I think that's a good thing, as many people seem to associate social darwinism with anti-feminism and racism.

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yeah i noticed
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Oh okay. I don't want to draw a lot of attention to people's ethnicity, but I also don't want it to be overlooked.

But anyway, I'm thinking that the arguments might be more effective at hitting the emotions if I make it more personalized, like the interludes.

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Remember that I'm portuguese, we were the first to enslave black people and the first to free them. We have little racism here, so don't be surprised if I don't point out her skin color.

That's typically how it works. If you want it to make it emotional, it needs to be personal.
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Well, I'm not surprised. I was just wondering whether or not people would pick up on it.

True. I think I have some good ideas. My lucky charm still works. Chat Thread 20: The Good, The Chat, and The Ugly - Page 6 4134108735

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so your story is based on current world and not a fictional one :o

The Slaves in my stories wouldn't be addressed by color but only status.

ie: A lord versus a peasant or high level businessman looking down on a low class unemployed person. etc.

These "big" people could treat these other people as someone beneath them and use/abuse them as they deem fit. Maybe even buy them from their parents/ landlords/ owners etc.

People can be born with different colors or locations but there wouldn't or shouldn't be any raised issues concerning that... but of course there could be scums who wouldn't look at a persons status but straight away go look at the majority rule (which is how racism starts).

But if you are the god of your world, you can avoid such things. You can choose to give equal standing to all your colored races.

That's what I would like to do in my stories. but hey if it doesn't sell or click with others then meh, its because they've gotten too used to our current real world. If there was no issue of racism in our world then making a story world of such would be deemed normal.
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